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2005-10-21 [moira hawthorne]: I dont see a size restriction...
2005-10-21 [Lothuriel]: Wow, not much time to work on this entry!
2005-10-21 [Sir. Robert]: I thought they foregot about the competition :P
2005-10-21 [Sunrose]: There is no size restriction, because we can create thumbnails ;) See it as a challenge Loth =P
2005-10-21 [Aidan Ryuko]: aaaaah I'll make a wallpaper for a 1280 - 1024 pixel screen MUHAHAHAHA, that'll be evil enough to get a price for best halloween personality XD, what if someone made a pumpkin of 5-5 pixels.. would that be ok too then?
2005-10-21 [eyes of frost]: Ooo...A chance to work on my costume! Muahahahaha...
2005-10-21 [Charybdis]: We don't know what the complete costume should look like anyway; but if it's as close to finished as possible, it'll have a better effect. It's ultimately your choice. :)
2005-10-21 [Sue Falkenkralle]:
Blame [Aidan Ryuko]
2005-10-21 [Sue Falkenkralle]: The question might be stupid, but can I put the image I've done for a competion into my Elfwood-galler
2005-10-21 [shotokan_gal]: As long as it fits elfwood's rules, then they should accept it.
2005-10-22 [Account No Longer Active]: Can photos count as art?
2005-10-22 [moira hawthorne]:
All mediums, excepting photography, will be accepted.
2005-10-22 [MAHAHAHAH]: cool...i might enter...
2005-10-23 [daniel (school is a step away from hell)]: how do i enter
2005-10-23 [shotokan_gal]: You go to Halloween Art 05, Page 1 and edit the page to add your entry.
2005-10-24 [tigerwitch]: might enter don't know deadline is pretty close
2005-10-24 [Charybdis]: Give it your best shot :) If you don't make it, there're always the Christmas ones!
2005-10-25 [toycar]: i..have a picture... but... hmm, contemplating whether or not to put it in >.>
2005-10-26 [Lothuriel]: Do it!! You know you want to!
2005-10-26 [toycar]: i.. did >.<
2005-10-27 [Charybdis]: Hmm...I can enter myself, right? <_<
2005-10-27 [shotokan_gal]: *shrugs* I guess. I can moderate you if you break the rules >:)
2005-10-27 [Charybdis]: :O I'd better behave myself then!
2005-10-27 [Leara]: I found a scanner! :O But....; _ ; In order to have an entry done in time, it would mean having it drawn and inked tonight, scanned and colored tomorrow. :O
2005-10-27 [moira hawthorne]: yup thats about it...
2005-10-27 [Charybdis]: Aww :/ ... well, since the deadline is the 29th, then technically you have Saturday too, or at least part of it, depending on your time zone.
2005-10-28 [Leara]: I'm in the Canadian mountain time zone...>.> So it's a LOT earlier here than in Sweden with ET time.I might make it though, the drawing isn't taking as long as expected...I'm using the same girl and cat from my entry last year, redrew them...I'm pitying the kitty. O.O I'm not gonna give it away though. :P
2005-10-29 [Apus]: So close...one more character to colour!! >_<"
2005-10-29 [Leara]: Lucky you....I had to email my drawing to myself....my email compressed it....it was close to 2000x2000 pixels....and when I got home and opened it....400x500.
2005-10-29 [moira hawthorne]: at which point you go with it.. and say... i meant it to look that way! its halloween so rough and scarey lines could work for you...
2005-10-29 [Leara]: trust me....it doesn't work. >.>
2005-10-29 [moira hawthorne]: i could do it...
2005-10-29 [Leara]: I'm gonna have to play with the lines a lot to make it look decent....I mean it mangled it
2005-10-29 [moira hawthorne]: just have fun...
2005-10-29 [Lothuriel]: do we have until Midnight EST? I have to go buy a pen....I HAVE TO BUY A EN!! *PANICS*
2005-10-29 [Charybdis]: You have until midnight Elftown time, so mid- to late evening for you I guess :)
2005-10-29 [Lothuriel]: Do I still have time to upload?
2005-10-29 [Charybdis]: According to the ET clock, you have just over two hours, so unless your Internet connection is crazy slow, then yes :)
2005-10-29 [Lothuriel]: Whooohoooo!!! I gots it!!
2005-10-30 [moira hawthorne]: and very funny!
2005-10-30 [Dragonartist]: Its not midnight here yet but the contest is over I live in the united states right now it is 11:01 pm >< just a suggestion for people who don't know your time frame you should post one so everyone knows if you have I havent found it
2005-10-30 [Charybdis]: There's a clock that's just underneath the username search-box, if that's what you mean. It's just past 11:00 for me too, but it's simpler to use the time that everyone can see :)
2005-10-30 [Dragonartist]: k ;p
2005-10-31 [Sunrose]: The results are on Mainstreet now ;)
2005-10-31 [shotokan_gal]: *cheers* congrats to our winners :)
2005-11-01 [Charybdis]: Omg! *dies* Congrats [Forever Equine]! And very well done to everyone, all the entries were fantabulous! ^_____^
2005-11-01 [tigerwitch]: who won the art contest and poetry?
2005-11-01 [Sunrose]: Scroll down Mainstreet ;)
2005-11-06 [*Cookie Monster*]: So when are we getting our Badges? don't we get badges for participating?
2005-11-06 [Sunrose]: And now you won't get it at all! *crinches* No I am not serious, but you are annoying me however. We give the badges when we have time and you should not be in this competition solely for the badge and to treat us like slaves.
2006-09-21 [Lothuriel]: Whooohoo!! this is going to be fun.
2006-09-21 [moira hawthorne]: I got an idea for this.... something from my childhood....
2006-09-21 [Leara]: HALLOWEEN <3 Yay. This'll put me in the mood to draw again. :D
2006-09-21 [Sunrose]: Heehee =)
2006-09-21 [Leara]: Prepare for the return on the little chibi girl in the boogeyman image. >:D
2006-09-22 [eyes of frost]: This theme is going to be hard.
2006-09-22 [iippo]: I thought it'd be easy, just have to remember all those things I was dead afraid of when I was a kid... Just me then?
2006-09-22 [Sunrose]: *glomps Leara* :D
2006-09-24 [Atayemi]: Yay! Official contest! Hehe. :P So the creature can be anything?
2006-09-24 [Sunrose]: Yep, as long as it has to do with childhood fears, 'Things That Go Bump in the Night' ;)
2006-09-24 [Atayemi]: Alrighty! So things like the Bogey Man etc? XD
2006-09-24 [sequeena_rae]: Duh xP
2006-09-24 [Atayemi]: :P Only asking, dear. I'm sure many other people are thinking the same thing. ;)
2006-09-24 [sequeena_rae]: I'd say that anything that scared you as a child is fair game for this competition xP
2006-09-24 [Atayemi]: Aaah, got you. :P
2006-09-24 [Shjahjdahdvwa]: I'm in :D
2006-09-24 [shotokan_gal]: Woot, interest ^^
2006-09-24 [Vou]: This one's interested!! ^__^ It'd be my first Elftown Competition!!
2006-09-24 [moira hawthorne]: welcome to the world of mass competition
2006-09-24 [Dirty DaVinci]: Curious question. Is nudity allowed? I would imagine the answer to be no, but I ask just to be certain.
2006-09-24 [Sunrose]: Not if it shows naked breasts or genitals :)
2006-09-24 [moira hawthorne]: why?
2006-09-24 [Sunrose]: Because the winning entry will appear on Mainstreet.
2006-09-24 [moira hawthorne]: AND ARTIST NUDDITY ISNT ALLOWED ON MAIN ST?
odd that Ive see it up there before...
2006-09-24 [Sunrose]: Why are you using caps?
Even if we could warn members about artistic nudity beforehand (which I don't really see how), those who don't want to see it would be deprived of viewing most of Mainstreet.
Where was that?
2006-09-24 [Atayemi]: Is it also because there are younger members on Elftown too, Sunrose? Oo
2006-09-24 [moira hawthorne]: left over from last message...
this is an artist site?
2006-09-24 [Sunrose]: Because of that [Atayemi] and because some people prefer to not be confronted with nudity :) Hence houses have artistic nudity warnings, like moira's house.
The point being moira? :)
2006-09-24 [moira hawthorne]: any art gallery has nuddity... and the random photo slots art slots put up nuddity on mainst.. and Ipretty sure there been nudity in lots of other mainst contests... ...this is the common warning... 5. SUBJECT MATTER AND MEDIUM
Since the winners will be featured on Mainstreet, images that depict graphic violence, pornography or other disturbing actions will not be accepted. Only images that fit the theme will be allowed. ...I dont remember there being a NO nudity warning...
2006-09-24 [Sunrose]: 'any art gallery has nuddity'...Uhm no.
We don't control the random slots, they are also much smaller.
You're sure, but you haven't shown any when I asked.
And why do you want to include breasts and genitals in a Halloween themed contest about childhood fears?
In either case, you don't have to remember the rule from the past, it's a rule now.
2006-09-24 [moira hawthorne]: its not a rule in this contest... you are saying its not allowed in comments...
why..?? I dont know... just I normally draw nudes.. and why not?
do I need to go thru all the main street contest and copy and paste examples...???
2006-09-24 [Sunrose]: If it's not allowed, I'd say it applies as a rule.
2006-09-24 [moira hawthorne]: im reading the rules and I dont see it... you are being arbitary for no reason
2006-09-24 [Sunrose]: I didn't say it was spelled in the rules, I answered a direct question. The answer applies to the contest in a similar fashion as rules do. It's not allowed and I explained why.
I've seen art by you without nudity, I'm sure you can make a fine entry :)
2006-09-24 [moira hawthorne]: but you didnt give a very good reason... you just abritary said it wasnt allowed... to why artistic nuddity not allowed in this contest when its not part of the stated rules.. and artistic nuddity has been allowed in all the other main st contests.. and on main st..
2006-09-24 [Hedda]: We don't want "extremely nude" artistic nudity neither in houses or on Mainstreet (we generally ask you to move it), but we'll talk through the actual case if one comes up. A naked warewolf should be OK in the most cases, for example.
The thing is that anyone should be able to log into Elftown without someone walking past thinking that they are watching a pornsite. It's different if they click on a link to warewolves fucking vampires hard, than if it's on Mainstreet.
Simple, but with a grey area.
2006-09-24 [moira hawthorne]: well hedda.. I think the rule 5 that states '...images that depict graphic violence, pornography or other disturbing actions will not be accepted...' is clear... but artistic nuddity isnt porn...
2006-09-24 [WestFactor]: WestFactor returns to MT after this... I can't wait. Haha:)
2006-09-24 [moira hawthorne]: what is MT WestFactor?
2006-09-25 [Nightfall]: just a sort of hairsplitting type question... will the option to enter be closed at the beginning of the day of oct 25th (as in, just turned to midnight of that morn) or will it be closed at like 11:59pm? just for clarification.
2006-09-25 [Sunrose]: At midnight end of the day, Elftown time :)
2006-09-26 [Dirty DaVinci]: Traditional childhood fears? Hmmmm. Would less traditional in the childhood sense be allowed, such as vampires, werewolves, etc, in leiu of the nefarious boogyman?
2006-09-26 [Lothuriel]: I personally don't see what nudity has to do with childhood fears in the first place but, hey that could just be me. But then again...aw nevermind .
2006-09-26 [moira hawthorne]: I could think of some things...
2006-09-26 [Sunrose]: In English? :)
2006-09-26 [Lothuriel]: I am sorry [Sunrose], you've lost me. ARe you referring to something I said or someone else?
2006-09-26 [Sunrose]: To [Dirty DaVinci]..'in leiu of the nefarious'??
2006-09-26 [Dirty DaVinci]: Opps, my apologies. My spelling is atrocious at best. Hehe. Just wanted to know if instead of doing the all too traditional childhood fears, for example, the dark, the boogyman, clowns, etc. if more modern freaks could be used. Vampires, werewolves, etc. in their place.
2006-09-27 [Sunrose]: I think that will be OK, as long as there's a relation to childhood fears.. :)
2006-09-27 [Ariandra]: No child should have fears that include anything obviously naked, apart from things that are always unclothed. For instance, a werewolf is probably furry enough to hide its genitalia, even naked. Damn Moira, why don't you try NOT pushing the rules line for once, and just have a good time with the contest?
2006-09-27 [moira hawthorne]: it was Dirty DaVinci who wanted to do the nakkid art for the contest.. and originally ask the question that started this discussion... I was just pointing out that artistic nuddity wasnt against the rules as stated in this contest nor has it been against the rules in any other main st contests... so in no way was I pushing the rules line.
2006-09-27 [Ariandra]: He asked, and was apparently satisfied with the answer of NO. You however, are flogging the dead horse.
2006-09-27 [moira hawthorne]: gee I see it as the opposite... the rules and even hedda say that artistic nuddity IS allowed... and I still see others including Dirty DaVinci as being interested... it seems you are the one flogging the dead horse... trying to prove its not allowed..
2006-09-27 [Lothuriel]: Good gravy, please Moira! Drop it. We are all here to have fun. If you have a problem with the rules, don't enter. I think that is simple enough.
2006-09-28 [Ariandra]: I'm not actually trying to prove anything, I'm simply pointing out that he was answered and moved on, and you were still arguing the point. I don't care to argue about it, it's not my contest. Adieu...
2006-09-28 [Elisha Kelly]: Hmmmmmmm now I have to figure out how to draw being scared of the dark o.O
2006-09-28 [Lothuriel]: You know, [Elisha Kelly] I was just sitting here thinking of the same thing.
2006-09-28 [Elisha Kelly]: wellgreat minds do think alike :D
2006-09-28 [Lothuriel]: Indeed!
2006-09-28 [Kyrinn]: this looks like fun! I'll have to see what I can squeeze out of my brain for this..
2006-09-28 [Dirty DaVinci]: Drawing the dark? Easy. Just draw as center object a frightened child, partially covered by bedsheets, or perhaps on a couch hugging a pillow, with open, wide eyes in a mostly darkened room. The encrouching darkness from all sides except for that small light source, ej. tv, candle, night light, moon light. Once you get that nice, jet black darkness drawn in around the kid, enveloping him/her, you can use a bit of dark grey at 90% to make ethereal outlines of *something* by the bedside :P Hehe. That way you make the illusion of something in the darkness, but not knowing what it is. The end result, the viewer should fear the dark for not knowing what lies within :D
2006-09-28 [Paul Doyle]: I guess I can't enter the pic that I didn't get finished in time last year (On Pauly the Anthro-Dragon's Halloween), but I'm sure something appropriate is just waiting to be brainstormed :)
2006-09-28 [Dirty DaVinci]: I know. Vampire plush teddy bears. Nah. Too typical. Hehe.
2006-09-28 [Angel of Ice]: I have the perfect idea...too bad I'm not good with putting ideas from my head onto paper...
2006-09-28 [spincrus]: Thank you for the "each member may submit 2 entries" rule :) I was quite left in between two topics I want to cover.
2006-10-02 [Kyrinn]: Hmmm I have one that Ive never had in a contest before that might fit this theme, but its not 'new' art. Im actually reworking it, so would that be allowed? If not, its okay.
2006-10-02 [Lothuriel]: I suppose it depends on how much of it you change. Simply changing hues or giving a human pointed ears doesn't make it a new piece of art. However, if you entirely rework the picture giving it a new theme, characters or the like then I'd say yes.
2006-10-02 [Kyrinn]: Ah okay. ^____^ it just depends on if I get the time to rework it. After being really sick all week, I have sooo many projects to catch up on..
2006-10-03 [Sunrose]: You have more than 20 days though ^_^'
2006-10-03 [EmeraldGrizzly]: I like to check jus' to make sure, is b/w entires allowed?
2006-10-03 [Sunrose]: Yes :)
2006-10-03 [EmeraldGrizzly]: Thanks much :)
2006-10-03 [Kyrinn]: WOOT! Ill try! *fingers crossed*
2006-10-06 [moira hawthorne]: are collabs allowed? I cant remember if Ive sver seen a collab...
2006-10-06 [Sunrose]: Is a collab going to be submitted?
2006-10-06 [moira hawthorne]: if allowed yes... but I couldnt see in the rules if it was or was allowed...
2006-10-06 [Lothuriel]: Art collaborations are allowed in moderation for an official contest. However Both artists must be active members of Elftown and agree to enter the art and each collaboration submitted will count as one entry for each artist.
2006-10-06 [moira hawthorne]: that all applys... we are both active members... and we both agree to enter the art... Ill let the other artist know...
2006-10-06 [Lothuriel]: Ok then.
2006-10-11 [Chel.]: So photomanipulat
2006-10-11 [Lothuriel]: Nope.
2006-10-11 [Darian Hawke]: Why cant i put up a drawing that i did a while ago?
why must it be new?
I mean i understand about not having something that was submitted to a differant competition but...
2006-10-11 [Lothuriel]: The purpose of having these contests is to encourage artists to try new concepts and ideas to further their art skills, and to showcase their art for others to see, not simply to get a badge.
2006-10-11 [moira hawthorne]: just b/c its an older peice doesnt mean the person is just trying to get a badge... and just b/c its new doesnt mean they arent just trying to get a badge! ... an older opiece may be a much better piece of art with a real intention to showcase and further one skills as an artist... it may suit the contest much better... than some one's... oh and Ill draw something to fit into this contest as well..
2006-10-11 [sequeena_rae]: Some members enter the same piece into nearly every competition going though. That's just not right. I like the rule about entries being new, it gives you something to look forward to and work hard at.
2006-10-11 [Atayemi]: Yay for squee! I agree with that. ;)
2006-10-11 [sequeena_rae]: Badges of course, are just the bonus :P
2006-10-11 [Atayemi]: Yes, so people know that they have tried their best to enter, and better still, contribute to Elftown. :D
2006-10-11 [Kyrinn]: I agree too. I see too many contests witht he same artwork entered, again and again. I think the new art rule is a good thing. Ill admit, I would LOVE to enter something already done, but its better to have something fresh to put up. ^^
2006-10-11 [Atayemi]: Of course it is. :P I'm thinking of making a new entry actually..the one I have entered is far too vague. XD
2006-10-11 [Kyrinn]: I dont think ill get anything out of my head any time soon though.. *pokes brain*
2006-10-11 [Atayemi]: Awwww..:P
2006-10-11 [Ariandra]: New entries for new contests keeps your muse inspired. Without having to come up with new entries and attempt new concepts, one's imagination and creativity would suffer.
2006-10-11 [Darian Hawke]: Did you not read what I wrote? I said that i understand the rule of not having something that was already up for a differant competition, but why must it be something drawn for this competition? If it hasnt been show cased before...?
2006-10-11 [Lothuriel]: Yes, I did read what you wrote and it clearly states two questions and a broken sentence stating that you understand, yet somewhat disagree. [Ariandra] was not responding to you. We both, however did answer your question but just in case you missed it, I will say it once again. Even if it hasn't been showcased before, a new drawing must be done for the competition. Why? Because the purpose of holding contests here in Elftown is to encourage artists to try new concepts and ideas to further their art skills, and to showcase their art for others to see, not simply to get a badge.
2006-10-11 [Darian Hawke]: errr... Right. Who cares about badges? Why would anyone put art in competitions just to get badges???
I was refering to showcasing art for people to see that might not be brand new. but ok i got it.
2006-10-11 [Lothuriel]: I mentioned the badges only because that is part of the reason the rule was made. People were entering the same crap over and over or half finished crap just to get a badge.
2006-10-11 [Darian Hawke]: Why though? What does a badge give them?
2006-10-11 [shotokan_gal]: Based on occasional people who continuously pester the council after competitions, asking when they'll get their badges, I'm inclined to think that's exactly why some people do enter.
2006-10-11 [Lothuriel]: THe power to rule the world and have dominion over the helpless....
2006-10-11 [Darian Hawke]: ohhhh. thats why.
2006-10-11 [moira hawthorne]: so what about people that enter new crap... just to get a badge?
2006-10-11 [Lothuriel]: So what about them? As long as they follow the rules does it matter?
2006-10-11 [Sunrose]: I have another reason, aside from trying new concepts and actually earning the badge: A contest is a means for an artist to practice their art. You can't do this if you enter previous artpieces into the contest, practice means you keep creating new pieces in which you try to improve yourself.
You can showcase your art on a personal artwiki, that's not actually what a contest is for.
2006-10-11 [moira hawthorne]: some artists are making art all the time.. but not just for contests... Thats why I know Im not just interested in getting a badge.. all my art has a function above and beyond the contest its entered in ... and I may be working on a pieces for weeks or longer... I do all my art first for myself! second for a friend or another purpose.. 3rd or lower for a contest... and than I give it other purposes...
2006-10-11 [Sunrose]: Following the reason I stated in my earlier comment: If you enter into a contest, you're not actually making it for the contest. You're making it for yourself, to improve yourself. The contest is just a means or incentive ^^'
2006-10-11 [EmeraldGrizzly]: Hear, hear!
2006-10-20 [Dirty DaVinci]: Question: Would Jack-o-laterns fall under the contest's mandate of "traditional fears"? I know a few people who've never liked them due to childhood fear, and they are part of several famous Halloween myths and legends, like the Headless Horseman...
2006-10-20 [Lothuriel]: Probably not. You normally wouldn't fear a pumpkin when you are in bed at night.
2006-10-20 [Dirty DaVinci]: Hmmm. Looking at it from that point of view I can see you're right, but then, I wouldn't consider fire demons and genies traditional children's fears while in bed or typical of that hidden in the closet, either. Just an observation, though. Thank you for the response.
2006-10-20 [moira hawthorne]: I think you are right that the famous Halloween myths and legends, like the Headless Horseman are part of childhood fears... as is the genie.. b/c they are both of cultureal myth fears... not just modern USA
2006-10-20 [Lothuriel]: But he didn't ask if the Headless horseman would be considered. The Jack-O'-Lanter
2006-10-20 [Dirty DaVinci]: I can see your point of view as well, Moira, and understand it because it makes clear sense, but I see some images that don't depict these nocturnal nasties underneath a bed, in a closet, out of the dark, tapping on a bedroom window, etc. So I wonder if for the purposes of set rules if some of these images are or aren't following the predetermined conditions. Just another observation. Don't mind me if I seem to picky. Just ignore me if I am. Hehe.
2006-10-20 [moira hawthorne]: thats what the Jack-O'-Lanter
2006-10-20 [Lothuriel]: Drop it.
2006-10-20 [Dirty DaVinci]: Sorry, thought you meant me. Wouldn't it be great if a code existed to make a leader line that would refer you back to a previous reference were possible? Be great.
2006-10-20 [Lothuriel]: Yes, it would. ^__^ Crap, I tried to fix it but deleted the whole thing. Oh well. the point was made.
2006-10-20 [Lothuriel]: And to answer your question, all images are taken under careful consideration and discussion if we think there is a problem. We do our best to be fair and considerate. We are not monsters with badges. We are human too. We appreciate art and want to see the talent of others flow.
2006-10-20 [Dirty DaVinci]: Okay, I understand. Just making a personal observation. I'm not going to condemn anyone for it :D We're all human here. At least, most of us are. I'm certain a feline or two has made it into the ranks, but that's another story altogether. Hehe.
2006-10-20 [Lothuriel]: LOL...true...t
2006-10-20 [Dirty DaVinci]: So Jack-o-lantern
This just in, late breaking news. A gerbil from Bangkok is participating. Be glad it ain't a donkey, or your movie rating could go straight to "R". Hehe.
2006-10-20 [Lothuriel]: Haha! Well, you could still do the Jack-o'-Lanter
2006-10-20 [Dirty DaVinci]: I was thinking either a closet with jackets and coats pushed aside from the inside by grotesque, deformed handes, while in the middle and in the darkness of that space an amorphous, deformed face smiling back. The other is a poltergiest type image. A tree rapping on a panel of glass while holding a gerbil up to the window and beconing with the forefinger of the other hand. A "come and get it kid" kind of thing. Hehe. But time. I don't have a lot of time and I tend to super detail things. Damn. Should have started earlier.
2006-10-20 [Lothuriel]: That would be sweet!
2006-10-20 [Dirty DaVinci]: The gerbil and tree? Or the other?
2006-10-20 [Lothuriel]: Well, both!
2006-10-20 [Dirty DaVinci]: *LOL* That helps! Hehe. I'll see what I can do. I just hope I can finish it in time. No promises, but what the hey, let's give it a whirl. :D
I think I'm partial to the tree and gerbil, myself. It sounds so ridiculous it may work...then again, a tree holding a squirrel by the tale while the squirrel is holding on to some nuts might be even funnier. I need to draft some images.
2006-10-22 [~DILLY~]: umm i am kinda new to this but i was wonderin if i could join this contest and how if possible?
2006-10-22 [Morningstar Rising]: by making a pic that follows the theme of things that go bump in the night and posting it above Halloween Art 06, Page 1.
2006-10-22 [~DILLY~]: okie dokie thanks
2006-10-22 [Morningstar Rising]: your welcome and good luck.
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